Using the Rope to Stack Hogs

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I've played several games that have involved a ridiculous amount of stacking. For those of you that don't know, you use the ninja rope to slide into the hogs thereby making them run into each other. I'm not entirely a fan of this sort of game play, as worms are randomly assigned about the terrain, it can also put a team at a severe disadvantage. I don't remember it working this way in worms, but please stop me if I'm wrong. Anyway, I want the ability to disable stacking of hogs in this fashion as an option, or if this is a bug, I want it eradicated.
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To unC0Rr - drink some vodka to foget people's ignorance Big Grin
To Howdy - nope, there's no such thing in Worms and that makes it special. Removing this ability will also disable you to slide on a flat terrain which is - no need to say it Wink Smiley - of great advantage when you want to move fast across the terrain. There are lots of unfair situations in HW, Worms or whatever game like this you pick. This "problem" (although I like it very much Smile) can be easily removed by adding the ability to put your hedgehogs where you want to at the very beginning of the game. I'm not sure if that's planned to be done in the near future but it sure will "fix" this.

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I'm no stranger to exploits becoming normal gameplay. I've been quite present in the Total Annihlation / Ta Spring Community, if you don't know their story with line bombing and unit sparking then please pay no mind... I know there will be resistance to such changes if the community has already accepted them. There is something to be said about this particular exploit though. It is advanced, and require fairly excellent skill with the rope, so immediately such play is not available to novice players because they don't even know how to use the rope. Because of this, when stacking is done in this fashion it becomes a hindrance to new players picking up the game, the more they lose when they start playing, the less they want to play. If it appears the game is hyper saturated with elite players that know all the tricks, it's not worth getting into.

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It's not like that. I always help with advices while playing even if that means defeat for me. And I get help from others. So even a player that doesn't know how to move on the screen, there always be help for him. After all - noone's been born a genius (except me Wink SmileyBig Grin). Which remainds of something that I'll put in the suggestions' list.

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I'm also willing to help novices (even if I'm not a great player myself Big Grin) using the rope.
I know it's hard to play with, but when you get used to it, it becomes a very cool item of this game, and I mean in everything you can do with it.
And yeah like rbaleksandar just said you can slide on a flat terrain with this feature, that's very useful sometimes !

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The problem is that using the rope to stack hogs, or in conjunction with the girders is that you can kill a lot of hogs in a single turn.

That doesn't follow the convention of the game which is, if you want to do damage to another hog it's going to take up your whole turn. It's a total loop hole which can quickly become the entire point the game.

I want to play classically, where the weapons that kill hogs take up your turn. I want to be able to use the rope in the game, but not have the pressure to use it as a weapon, just a mode of transportation.

Like I said, this should be made a game option, because obviously too many players like this feature, so I'm no longer opting for it's removal, I just want the option to play without it.

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You're always f*cked if you can't use a specific weapon. Smile If you don't want people to use "rope-stacking" in your game, you can always ask them kindly not to do that. Wink Smiley

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I'll be looking at and considering this.

On one hand, it's not a "Free" kill, because using the rope to rope knock involves dismounting the rope, which means youre at very least going to use up rope ammo at a fast rate.. and towards the end of the game the rope becomes one of the most important weapons, a large drawback.

It's also a technique that requires a lot of skill, which is always something I'm for.
A large amount of skill should yield good results, you would want someone whos great at aiming with the bazooka to be significantly more dangerous than someone who's inaccurate, the same applys here.

If you MISS a rope knock, which is very very easy to do, you lose ammo on one of the most important weapons in the game.. for nothing. That's another large drawback.

On the other hand, games are about fun, not just competition.. and I know that some players feel that rope knocking is unfair, annoying and thus unfun. So I will be considering adding an option to remove it.

However you should know that Rope knocking is in by design, it's not a bug or an exploit that has become standard play. Throughout development we're always aiming to give players more options to play with, and normally I'd have no problem indulging a request like this. But this one modifies a weapon in a rather huge way, and thus I'm going to think about it and discuss it with the others.

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